The fucking account from his husband is the most clear cut hate crime shit.
They came home to their dead dogs skull in their driveway before the assailant approached them, yelling homophobic slurs, and shot him. Also, someone in their neighborhood set their house in fire earlier this year.
Fuck that county. I hope that king of the hill money gets used to turn that fucking county admin inside out.
And they would have kept it as a “non hate crime” if the victim had not been a part of two popular TV shows…
Which ones are you counting? KOTH and Parks and Rec? Looks like he was also in walker Texas ranger and a movie called the Abduction of the Fourth Kind that looks intriguing
Fourth Kind was gnarly.
In a press conference on June 5, San Antonio Police Chief William McManus said that the department’s earlier statement saying there was “no evidence” Joss’ murder was “related to his sexual orientation” was “way premature” and “before we had any real information.”
Still lying.
"While it may be true that we told a lie before we had evidence, we really wanted that first lie to be true, so it’s cool, right?
The problem is they had evidence as Joss’ husband had said as much
Witness statements aren’t evidence if they don’t like what the witness has to say.
They had years of evidence of previous hate crimes.
Hell, the only reason they were at the place to begin with was to check the mail at the ashes of their previous house that had been burned down by a gay-hating arsonist.
Which, notably, was not investigated by the pigs.
Someone burned their house down (presumably killing their dog) and then placed the dog skull in the driveway to lure them back. When they came back the neighbor came at them calling them slurs and opened fire.
Seems pretty suspicious to me, weird that the local cops couldn’t piece it together.
The local cops know exactly what happened. The only shocking revelation would be that they didn’t actively have anything to do with the crimes.
So according to the Chief, their detective did not interview the surviving victim of the crime before talking to the press. Snappy police work there. “We’re not bigots who enabled this murder by ignoring the prior complaints of the victims, we’re just really stupid. Golly!”
As always, ACAB.
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So who do you call when a shooter is in a school?
Edit: I’ll note that almost every reply here is just insulting me.
Edit2: Still not a single serious answer.
Edit3: Near as I can tell everyone calling me names, insulting me, avoiding the question, and voting me down are very upset that I’ve exposed the fact that they would, in fact, dial 911 in such a circumstance. And knowing that makes them deeply uncomfortable. And being unable to come to grips with that feeling they just lash out like children instead.
Seriously? Look up Uvalde and see what they (didn’t) do
Or Parkland.
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Jokes aside, this is a disgusting play at people’s emotions
Are you for real? This happens and all the ACAB people in here have zero answers for who they would call in this situation other than “ha ha ha not the cops they just do nothing”. Y’all aren’t serious and don’t deserve to be treated seriously.
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Cops exist to murder unarmed minorities.
It’s all they’re for. Which is why they sit around uselessly while shooters murder children. Look at the surnames of most of the victims in Uvalde to see why the pigs were outside doing fucking nothing.
They exist to protect the capital of the wealthy. Murdering minorities without being held accountable is just one of the perks borne from that.
That’s just how we do lynchings now
What do you do if you’re being tortured to death? Nothing, you can’t, of course lol. Minimizing it with peer reviewed policy is our only tool. Voting for the party doing that is our only individual lever.
Why call the cops? They might keep you out when you could be entering to save your kid?
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You can say you don’t like the question but there are hundreds of school shootings a year. It’s not a hypothetical. What is the ACAB crowd’s answer for what people should do in these cases? Just… wait?
Why would you phrase it like that? Surely you know about the cops waiting in Uvalde.
Also - you do know that despite the aweful response the cops did actually eventually kill the shooter right?
So… Don’t call the cops gets you… What exactly? Basically the same thing but the shooter is allowed to just continue without any resistance?
I’m being serious even though I know you aren’t.
Your question doesn’t make any sense. Your original question was in response to someone saying they don’t call the cops in their house.
So to the question of what they do when there’s violence at a school, the obvious answer is: they call the cops.
You reiterated your question asking what the “ACAB crowd” would do. Again the answer is obvious: they call the bastards.
That may be why you’re not getting “serious” answers, because you didn’t ask a serious question, even if you thought you did.
Still. No. Answer.
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Re: your edit, then don’t leverage dead children to win an online argument.
Still no answer…
The cops seem to be doing such a bang up job in preventing it, we should probably just apply more police
Still no answer.
I said we should use policing, I guess sops aren’t a valid answer then.
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Why would you invite more shooters to kill innocent people?
lol I already have you tagged as bootlicker. Probably just block you at this point.
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How do you tag someone
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just block him. You’re not going to chnge his mind, no need to cause a scene here.
On Connect for Android, it’s under the comment’s three-dot menu. It’s called “add user note”.
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I got you. I tag anyone who blindly calls me a “bootlicker”.
Aaaaand blocked.
Wasn’t there that story about your police literally waiting outside the school?
Let’s be honest, your police system is fucked.
You need a proffessionally trained force like us over in europe.
They didn’t just wait outside the school. They also prevented others from helping!
Also, I remember one incident where they took credit when someone else did step in.
And when a mom DID run inside and rescue her daughter, the local police harassed her for months and threatened to charge her with crimes.
… That is, until there was social media outage about her charges.
ACAB includes European cops. Your shit stinks too.
Still no answer…
I’ll note that almost every reply here is just insulting me.
Too bad. It should be all of them.
Still no answer…
You are not owed participation on your terms.
Fair - but you still have no answer.
My answer is that pigs are worthless at anything but murdering minorities and that’s why you love them.
Edit: I’ll note that almost every reply here is just insulting me.
No, they’re not. We all know you’re getting the reaction you wanted and expected. Stop playing the victim.
Still no answer…
You’re a fucking moron
Still no answer.
We all know you never wanted one.
I did, actually. I’ve responded to the one person who actually replied without calling me an idiot. What the fuck do you think I want? Why u so mad?
I’d call the shooter, as they’re statistically more likely to stop themselves than the police
Given the ridiculous and insulting responses before this it’s remarkable that you’ve somehow come up with the absolute stupidest response of the thread. Congrats I guess?
I have literally never seen this many downvotes on a comment in my entire time on the fediverse. And your response is to go full principal skinner.
There is one common denominator here my dude. You need to think about that.
I’m at a point in my life where I don’t justify my opinion based on ideologues on lemmy. Thanks for the concern though.
Yet here you are with three edits whining about the response to your comment. And remember, you brought this upon yourself. I made one flippant comment about cops and you couldn’t stand it. How much of your life have you wasted today on this argument?
911, and ideally they would alert a tactical response team with a negotiator to get on a helicopter while they gather details and form a plan in transit that would reflect their training for these situations. Have four of these teams in each state. police cordon off the area and monitor the situation to keep the team updated while they are in transit and to watch the entrances and exits while the staff that were already in the building, including resource officers, would be doing what they could to get people away or get them to the safest place they can. Police force as an intervention would be a last resort scenario, as escalation in these situations will only guarantee more dead. The police have no obligation to protect or serve under the current laws, they are not required to do fuck all, they should not be the people you expect to save or help you, they only exist at this point to punish you and bind you.
Congrats! You win a prize for offering the first actual answer to the question without simply attacking me for my perceived biases. 🏆
In most mass shootings I doubt negotiation is going to get very far - and the delay may cause more deaths. Many times the perpetrator simply commits suicide. These are folks who have hit ‘fuck it’ and are looking to end it all and cause a lot of damage on the way out. Often by the time police are even able to respond they’ve done most of the damage they will do already.
The rest sounds an awful lot like SWAT.
You’re right, there is no perfect answer so we should just do nothing and allow the cops to do whatever the fuck they want and give them immunity for everything. If we can’t have it absolutely perfect every time then we should just let things go to their worst possible situation, right? Otherwise we’d have to accept that the system isn’t perfect.
Go fuck yourself you stagnant kowtowing twat.
Edit: Yes, SWAT is a tactical response team trained for these specific situations. Way to point out that we actually already have these units ready to be used, you god damned idiot.
Your trophy is taken back. Sorry - I thought you were serious.
You’re right, there is no perfect answer so we should just do nothing and allow the cops to do whatever the fuck they want and give them immunity for everything.
Where did you get this from? I genuinely don’t understand the childish level of anger I’m getting for asking a legitimate question. When people say “never call the cops” they neglect to say what one should do instead. Just hide in a corner and wait for inevitable death?
Go fuck yourself you stagnant kowtowing twat.
Kowtowing to WHO??? Are you people crazy or something?
Fuck you.
Ghostbusters!
You get down on your knees and pray really hard.
Myself
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Joss’ murderer has a name and an address. He is currently under house arrest.
Wait house fucking arrest!!! Are you fucking kidding me? He murdered someone and it definitely was fucking hate crime and he isn’t sitting in a fucking jail cell. Fuck Texas and fuck the police.
He’s out on a $200k bond. More than twice his home’s value.
First I thought this was an accusation XD
But lets not make him “famous”.
I will never go back to the U.S but especially Texas. Texas is a shit hole
I currently recommend staying out entirely because of the paranoid war against “immigration” that has made our borders openly hostile to everybody, but if that ever changes there’s plenty of cities that are only as shitty as global average and if the national parks survive they are unmatched.
How was the husband’s testimony not suggestive of a hate crime? It’s like suggesting the guy who firebombed people in Boulder Colorado last week wasn’t committing a hate crime.
Afaik the Colorado thing wasn’t a hate crime, it was an act of terrorism. It was motivated by political cause (antizionism), not identity (Jewishness).
They will call it both because it was both.
He was motivated by political cause but also he’s prejudiced enough to be unable to distinguish genociders from a run club
Not to mention there are likely records of past incidents where they were threatened. Cops are now pretending like they weren’t aware of the hate crime issue before he was even dead.
I’ve been watching King of the Hill at work (all shift sometimes) recently and it’s gotten to be real difficult to see the antagonistic characters on the show in the same light. Cartoons are supposed to be an exaggeration of their real life counterparts. Knowing what texas is harboring in real life really washes out the humor these antagonists are supposed to bring.
Same with Parks and Rec. For example, the episode making fun of people who think fluoride in water is a conspiracy
