For more than three years, most of Russia has viewed the war sparked by the Kremlin’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine from afar.
Now, some say, following an audacious attack by Ukraine that saw hordes of drones smuggled into Russia and then deployed on June 1 to wipe out dozens of long-range bombers, it has arrived on their doorstep.
In the Irkutsk, Murmansk, Ryazan, and Ivanovo regions, drones struck air bases, shocking Russian authorities and citizens.
“It was a fiery hell,” residents of the Irkutsk region told RFE/RL’s Siberia Realities.
In Siberia, some 4,000 km away, residents appeared to be shaken.
“Now the war has reached us too,” residents told Siberia Realities.
Daddy Vladdy said the Special Military Operation™ to rescue the russian-speakers would be over in two weeks. 🥺
3 days
It was a fiery hell
No it fucking wasnt, they just destroyed some planes and you watched them burn from a few kilometers away. Victim complex ass people.
The planes they were using to violently invade another sovereign country! It was 1000% a defensive act.
“Now the war has reached us we suddenly care about it”
Ah the old “It’s fine for us to attack another sovereign nation but now it’s happening here and I don’t like it” style NIMBY
Reminds me of wildfires.
Australia was gripped by some of the worst wildfires in history, and it was said that, while wildfires are inevitable, climate change contributed to the scale of them.
Saw loads of Americans call it alarmism, abd not an issue because it was just Australia.
Then the next year America was gripped by some of the worst wildfires in history. Suddenly those same people were wondering if it could be that climate change thing.
For what it’s worth, this yank donated cash to Aussie fire relief back then. I have a bitchin death metal shirt with koalas and kangaroos on it where the profits went to the fire relief too. Love that shirt.
and now we collaborate quite nicely! we share fire fighting helicopters and fire fighters often fly over to help each other, since our seasons are offset
hopefully that remains and isn’t just seen as “giving things away” and used as a bargaining chip in a perverse game of number go up
I don’t know what sources you’re referring to but I live in a place in the US that has been choked out by wildfire smoke multiple times a summer for the last several years and no one really talks about it. It’s not acknowledged as a new phenomenon or related to climate change at all. At most you hear a “smoky out today huh?”
Oh totally.
I’m on the us west coast and the national news (think USA today, cnn, fau, etc.) is all “there is smoky weather over there or smthn, anyway here is a monkey dancing” each summer (local news is covering the smoke obviously)
BUT as soon as it started drifting eastward and reached Nyc/DC then the news lit up with it about climate change/hazardous conditions.
Funny how that happens
Imagine living in the midwest where neither coast gives a shit about you. :)
Yup. Midwest here and people have been bitching about smoke for 4-5 years now. But not a single word on why this wild new, yearly experience is happening.
And I thought the American right was bad about “it doesn’t matter until it affects us”
Famously, but the truth is it’s a human trait.
That’s actually a trait of the conservative mindset and not humanity writ large.
Irkutsk is possibly farther than you are from Ukraine, and Moscow doesn’t give a fuck about Irkutsk.
Unlike Russia, Ukrainian military targets aren’t schools and shopping centres.
Destroying substantial strategic military capacity in a country with explicitly anti-LGBTQ+ laws is an unexpected way of starting Pride Month.
Pride, brought to you by Raytheon
I prefer to be blown up by people who respect me /S
Holyshit they had a plan to profit off the gay bomb with apperal.
Gay, brought to you by Lockheed Martin (in bomb form, google it)
Thems’ my throwin’ bagels.
Gaytheon?
Deeds, not words.
Everything you’ve said is true, but keep in mind that Ukraine isn’t exactly an LGBT paradise. Hate crime against gay people isn’t recognised by law, and for the past years most pride parades ended up with people hospitalised as a consequence of far right attackers.
Hate crime against gay people isn’t recognised by law
…it’s not recognised in e.g. Germany either? Crime is recognised by law which plenty of states consider plenty. Punching people outside of self-defence is wrong doesn’t really matter to many jurisdictions why you’re doing it.
Protections against workplace etc. discrimination were introduced in 2014, gay marriage is on society’s agenda but as so often the first reading was controversial and now there’s a war and the constitution can’t be changed, anyway.
You could say the same thing about people getting hospitalised at prides about Poland. Ukraine is a post-soviet state so the starting point was “not great, not terrible” (that is, it wasn’t literally illegal to be gay but no social acceptance whatsoever), and is moving in the right direction. Don’t make the perfect the enemy of the good.
Do note that the likes of right sector don’t have wider societal backing. Politically, they’re very much fringe.
You could say the same thing about people getting hospitalised at prides about Poland
Yes, Poland is a reactionary hellhole too. Being compared to Poland in gay policy is fucking dire.
is moving in the right direction
I hope you’re right
Unexpected but certainly not unwelcome 😄
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Fuck the Muscovites and Kerch Bridge should be destroyed too.
War becomes a much more pressing issue when it’s in your backyard.
Maybe stop killing people?
Are you implying Ukraine was wrong to pull off this attack?
Because that smells like Russian apologism.
Edit yeah you can see whenever you catch Russians when they’re thought they were being “smart”. It’s honestly ridiculous how low your bar is for that. It’s almost like interacting with another species.
They’re saying Russia should stop killing Ukrainians. Nothing about this attack.
Well this attack is to make Russia realise they should stop killing Ukrainians?
Ukraine isn’t doing it for fun, you know?
There were dozens of long range bomber destroyed. Bombers which have been dropping bombs on Ukraine, killing people.
So now there’s less of that.
So… why the comment about “maybe stop killing people?” That’s literally what Ukraine is trying to achieve with this.
Edit you downvote all you want Ruski bots
Dude, you misunderstood the first comment. Let it go and move on.
No, I didn’t misunderstand it at all.
I’m clarifying it.
You don’t understand how clever Russian disinfo is. That is a comment that should be read as “Hey, Russia, please stop and Ukraine won’t have to keep doing this to you” but it can also be read as “War is always bad, so this too was bad”.
The fact there’s two options and this is a pro-Ukraine article means it needs clarification. Because Russian disinfo accounts rely on things like that to build credibility to their accounts. If you’re not completely sure when checking an account, if it’s a little messy to figure out who a person is for and who they’re not for, you’re more likely to give up. And then that account can continue.
Lemmy is fucking infested with Russians.
And if you think this is cynic or paranoid or whatever, I’ve a bridge to sell you
I’m clarifying it.
That’s the issue. You misunderstood and you try again and again to be right on the internet. It won’t work. May I suggest some meditation? https://meditofoundation.org/ is free.
Youre simplifying it.
Why is it that people online think they’re masters of nuance, and other people just don’t even understand what the word means?
Do you have any idea how good Russian disinfo is? That’s like the only thing I’ll ever give them credit for; spycraft and manipulation. They’re fucking experts at it. CIA relies on machines and could never manufacture campaigns to shift Russian public opinion on the scale that Russia manufactures opinions in the Anglosphere. Russia uses people, and extremely effectively. Social engineering more than hacking, simply put.
I meditate daily, probably since you were born. If you speak Finnish, I’d suggest listening to Väinö Pertamo “Itserentoutushypnoosi” to learn the basics. Unfortunately even if you find the clip and manage to read the words said in it, I don’t think it will work, because it’s so much about the timbre of dr Pertamo. Basically more than half the lesson is not about the words.
Anyway, that aside, the point is I genuinely am glad of the downvotes. That will make some people question, why? It is quite the innocent comment. But to say it’s obviously the meaning which is more likely, is well, to fall into the trap.
I’m not saying what it is. I’m pointing out that vaguely positively comments on Ukraine communities are something which Russian accounts use at the start to render credibility to their accounts, without having actually said anything that’s not in-line with their propaganda.
You can jest and say I misunderstood and am making shit up, or that I’m being paranoid, but again, I simply care more about actually having this argument out there than you mocking me for it. For all I know, (and I underline I do not believe in this at all, but it is possible, if not even plausible), you’re part of it. As me making that point would reveal that tactic, rendering it less useful unless it’s “thoroughly debunked”.
That’s what happens with all of it. Once I caught davel@lemmy.ml, we went on for days, him claiming he’s American. Now he doesn’t even post anywhere else than lemmy.ml, because he knows he can’t mod, so he doesn’t want to, because he knows I or some other troll-hunter will be on him like stink on a pile of shit for the pretend-American he is.
And he’s probably not even paid, just a nationalist moron. The people who actually get paid aren’t that stupid.
Because again, Russia is terrifyingly good at manipulating people.
Although a part is ofc the ubiquitous nature of English and somewhat arcane nature of Russian. It’s easier for a Russian to pretend to be from the West than the other way around. Except in voice chats. Reminds me of when I caught a Russian on the Irish national discord. He claimed he was Irish, but lucky for me their egos are easy to hurt. Dude didn’t even know what a limerick was or where Limerick is. Once I managed him on voice, he had such a strong fucking Russian accent, and the most pathetic attempt at hiding it and trying a cartoonish Irish one.
It was hilarious.
So again, mock me all you want. No such thing as bad pr when it comes to talking about Russian disinformation
I don’t think anyone would read it like the second one.
Ah well, if you trust everyone on the internet, dear stranger, then so do I.
Henceforth I shall never question anything. It’s not like bad actors actually exist.
Why bother retaining any sort of suspicion towards anything? It’d just be a waste of energy. Well meaning people have never been taken advantage of as far as I remberer.
Mate, as much as I want to believe you and I think you are right in general terms, in this particular case it is a false positive I have not tagged this account and I’ve glanced the account and I didn’t see anything that would be tankie like.
However yes lemmy is infested with Russian disinfo but this ain’t it chief.
I’m definitely not implying the first account is pro-Russian. (I didn’t even check the profile)
I’m just pointing out there’s an alternative way to see it, and we should be mindful of the sort of language we use and the implications it has.
Double-down harder, bro. The choir you’re preaching to maybe didn’t hear you.
Oh I do. Lemmy is filled with Russian bots, who the fuck cares about votes? Lol.
So it’s a pacifist comment then?
Because either it realises this attack destroyed equipment thats used to kill people, thus leading to less killing (ie on the way to stopping killing) or it’s a “Ukraine shouldn’t be bombing Russia, everyone should just live in peace” which is just dogwhistling Russian propaganda as there’s definitely not any actual Ukrainian pacifists here.
And they’re the ones getting bombed. But you’re just here for a snarky oneliners, you don’t possess the capacity to argue it.
Run along kiddo
I think we all know who the real russian bot is here, comrade.
Yeah, anyone who isn’t a screaming idiot can see it.
I’m a Finnish person, in the Finnish reserves. I gladly kill Russians who break international laws, like the pathetic sack of shit Putin is.
And I can prove that.
I’m not like davel@lemmy.ml who claims to be American while sucking Putler’s cock, spreading Russian propaganda.
From the downvotes and still not receiving an explanation to the first comment, yeah, everyone with a basic education from a developed country would know, yes. I assume that grouping doesn’t involve, among others, you.
Dare you say any of those things or are you a pussy afraid of getting arrested over writing things online and then “having an accident”?
No one would be stupid enough to think that
And ofc no-one on the internet ever says things they don’t mean.
Well, I guess if you didn’t mean it…
They’re “apolitical” only when bombs don’t rain on their towns. Hypocrites.
The bombs did not rain on their towns. Only military targets.
Only privileged people can afford to pretend that “apolitical” is something that exists.
It’s against the law to be political in Russia.
About time too.
Ehhh - report back when you and your neighbors are under artillery fire.
