First they ignore you,
then they laugh at you,
then they fight you, <-- you are here
then you win.
Would they ban the person if it was a pro Israel speech?
If no, then the school admins can fuck right off
it’s not “pro palestine”, it’s not “anti israel”,
it’s anti genocide of palestinians by israelis…
they try to keep framing it as that, as some nationalist thing….No, no I am certainly anti-Israel as well; I now fully believe the country should be gone away with like was done in Africa whenever they won their independence back.
well that’s just completely divorced from reality
I could 100% respect a university being no politics etc whatsoever in speeches, but 5 bucks says double standard.
“No politics whatsoever” supports the status quo and is therefore political and a double standard.
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People rarely talk about politics to praise how well everything is going right now. Not being allowed to talk about politics means not being allowed to talk about changing things. If this was the rule everywhere, nothing could ever be changed (democratically).
Do you have any actual counterargument?
They do not, just ad-hominems.
The speech in question https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKSH7wJiqYK/
Wow, that’s a lot of hatred against a country and a nation. “Genoside” claims, several times. Still no mentions of how this yet another war started on the 7th of October. 🤦
No one is upset that Israel wanted to do something about being attacked, but what’s happening is so wildly disproportionate. If hamas did that in any other country and that country decided to go full scorched earth in retaliation no one would support that yet somehow a single attack justifies what’s going on now?? If someone eggs your house do you hunt them down, burn down their house, kill them then do the same to all their relatives?? No obvious that’s insane and that’s essentially what’s happening here, the attack was wrong but two wrongs do not make a right and the force of the response is so far above uncalled for
They know. They’re being purposefully disingenuous and dimwitted. We all know that white phosphorus has rained from the skies since 2005. We know that every inch of settler encroachment was paid for with blood sacrifice not by the settler, but with the blood of the native people of the region, and this is all perpetrated as a holocaust on the altar of Zionism.
"If someone eggs your house"This is NOT what happened, you must be trolling or delusional.
So… What are your suggestions for actions that are not disproportionate?! I have none, which would be adequate against the intentional atrocities by hamas and other paramilitaries.
What happened the 5th of October, do you even know?
“You showed the world that MIT wants a free Palestine”.
“You called for a permanent ceasefire in Gaza, and you stood in solidarity with the pro-Palestine activists on campus. You faced threats, intimidation, and suppression coming from all directions, especially your own university officials, but you prevailed because the MIT community that I know would never tolerate a genocide."
“Right now, while we prepare to graduate and move forward with our lives, there are no universities left in Gaza…We are watching Israel try to wipe Palestine off the face of the earth, and it is a shame that MIT is a part of it.”
“This means that Israel’s assault on the Palestinian people is not only aided and abetted by our country, but our school. As scientists, engineers, academics, and leaders, we have a commitment to support life, support aid efforts, and call for an arms embargo, and keep demanding, now as alumni, that MIT cuts the ties,"
make a list of all these fascists. people must not forget those who stood firmly on the side of genocide.
edit: you don’t need to make distinguishing marks on their clothes when they’re already wearing the swastika armband. “oh please don’t mistreat the fascists, that makes you a fascist!”
make a list of all these fascists.Is that your next suggestion, omg: “Let them wear special distinguishing marks on their clothes too. Like, some kind of a star sign”?!
/S
That’s seriously creepy, dude.
fucking yes. if you allow fascists and collaborators to just dust off their hands and pretend nothing happened once the regime comes down, you’re just setting the timer back until the next fascist regime.
they’re collaborating with the regime now, and once it’s gone, they will all have always opposed it.
no. you have to remember all of them. no quarter for fascists. no excuse for collaborators.
For this?
Too late. Megha Vemuri already exposed MIT and is a star with her Andor-level speech.
Strisand effect for sure!
Self censoring is not the answer… Come on MIT, you know better.
Well, now that I say that, MIT has a not perfect track record when it comes to legal matters and policy decisions. I think of Aaron Swartz for instance…
Wow that’s pathetic, so theres no distinction left between MIT and that Bible belt shit hole university that didn’t let a student graduate after she came out as gay
Whenever I try to believe things aren’t bad and that I am delusional for learning how to gun, stuff like this happens. My hopes for a peaceful and boring future are dying.
Couldn’t have been worse than the cringefest speech Hank Green gave that’s for sure
Why not make a safe for work pro-Ukraine speech?
Yes why use your platform to bring attention to a genocide in an aperthide state, at great risk to you when you can just step in line and bend the knee to appease some cunts
Because Russia bad, Israel good.
Fucking even MIT gone mega what fhe fuck.
Desperate to prove their fascist bona fides in the hopes of retaining funding. It will come back to bite them. There’s no winning way to play this game but there’s and honorable and a dishonorable way.
Is Harvard the only big boy that stepped up? There has to be more, right?
Most schools aren’t talking about it or targeted.
MIT owns the majority of the nonvoting shares in Bose. They don’t need funding.
Is Bose relevant anymore? Outside of cars I’ve don’t seen any of their systems on sale for a long time
They made $3 billion in 2023, so yeah?
Revenue or profit? What’s the amount if that MIT gets? What’s MITs budget annually? How much comes from federal funds? All questions that might help answer how they reacted,
Why isn’t the slippery politician like position to just say: we are not responsible for the free thought of our graduates or their opinions, nor are we able to bypass the system of accreditation our student earned their education through. Only departments and professors are allowed to award credit for work, and the the administrators do not govern the integrity of their educational success.
They could say it, but I think they realize Trump acts on feelings and not reason, and could cut off their access to funds, so they want to appease him and make him feel good. Basic dictator and appeaser stuff.
MIT didn’t “go maga”. They are intrinsically tied to government contracts.
Basically all STEM research at the university level is funded by a mixture of corporate and government interests. Even NSF grants (remember when those were a thing…) tend to focus on areas that anyone with a keen eye can see having military applications. One of my favorites was the massive push for graph analytics 10 or 15 years back and people not realizing that was a roundabout way of saying “analyze social media”.
MIT in particular is VERY dependent on this because they need to be “elite”. Smaller state universities can shuffle money around and focus on other funding sources, to a degree. MIT can’t because their staff inherently have good networks and would jump ship the moment their perks start going away.
Contrast that with Harvard where they still get lots of “donations” from rich and powerful lawyers (and politicians) and where the publicity for “fighting the government” can heavily offset all the international students getting put in a concentration camp before their checks clear.
Okay, but on a timeline measured in years instead of quarters, it’s really fucking stupid to punish the factory that churns out engineers for your war machines, right? The government funds STEM education, yielding STEM experts, yielding STEM productivity. Stop funding it, stop making STEM experts, vastly reduce STEM productivity. Pair this with massive reductions on immigrants (and torch the economy to lower desire to come here also) and how does this not lead to brain drain dark ages and empire collapse?
Is it more complicated than this? Am I missing something? Because usually when somebody thinks that everybody else is a fucking moron, they are the fucking moron, and I’m worried that maybe I’m just such a dumb fucking moron that I can’t see what a dumb fucking moron I am.
Okay, but on a timeline measured in years instead of quarters, it’s really fucking stupid to punish the factory that churns out engineers for your war machines, right?
- You assume that republicans CARE about anything but the immediate moment. The past… over 50 years have been characterized by republicans fucking everything up, Democrats spending years trying to salvage things, and then republicans taking credit for that before fucking it up even worse.
- You ALSO assume that trump and his handlers want a powerful US military or economy.
A dictator almost wants a weak military, so they can’t stage a coup against said dictator. Look at Russia, just installed all loyalists and steal the funding for themselves. China is more of a hybrid, they want better tech to compete with the US, but they are kind of lazy to innovative themselves in some parts of stem, so they resort to industrial espionage and reverse engineering. Just oversimplified this
Most big colleges have helped evict and deport people on studen visas. They cooperate and are complicit.
I’m betting it wouldn’t be difficult to find links between MITs research and development labs and weapons and technologies companies involved in Gaza.
Societies are sometimes like big interconnected machines, large parts become complicit in denial, repression, and destruction.
Edit: yep, as expected:
Since at least 2015, MIT laboratories have received millions of dollars from the Israeli Ministry of Defense for projects to develop algorithms that help drone swarms to better pursue escaping targets; to improve underwater surveillance technology; and support military aircraft evade missiles. Two of these sponsorships were renewed since October 7th, 2023, while one came up for renewal in December 2024. Second, MIT maintains institutional collaborations through the ILP, LGO, CSAIL, and MIT Energy Initiative programs with companies that sell vast amounts of weapons to Israel. These include Elbit Systems, Israel’s largest military contractor, as well as Maersk, Lockheed Martin, and Caterpillar. These collaborations grant genocide profiteers privileged access to MIT talent and expertise.
P.S That drone swarm technology is part of why 83% of American doctors who have provided care in Gaza, have reported treating children for being shot in the head. Source: NPR’s The American Life.
"War is a racket. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.
…
War like any other racket, pays high dividends to the very few. The cost of operations is always transferred to the people who do not profit."
General Smedley Butler - War is a Racket (1935)
It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.
I’d argue that health insurance also qualifies.
to better pursue escaping targets
What the fuck.
Shooting people in the back is a bad look. Especially when the victim is a child.
It’s unreal that they can just say out loud “we design war crimes” like what the actual fuck.
There is a whole lot of terrible shit going on in Gaza, and Israel is committing war crimes all over the place.
However, chasing down and shooting a fleeing enemy combatant is not a war crime. If a russian soldier tries to flee from a failed assault, Ukrainian troops are free to shoot them in the back. The same applies to troops fleeing a position that is being attacked or encircled. They can be hunted down and shot unless they surrender.
I’m pointing it out because it’s a common misconception the enemies that are unarmed, wounded or fleeing are “out of bounds”, but that’s not the case. It’s perfectly legal to bomb an enemy camp full of sleeping soldiers, or shoot an unarmed or wounded enemy that hasn’t surrendered.
The absolutely horrifying thing with Israel is that they treat starving civilians as if they were soldiers, and shoot unarmed civilian kids in the back.
That is a good shout, withdrawal =/= surrender. You’re not wrong to clarify rules of war, as false accusations lead to propaganda reinforcing against the real accusations.
Though my statement does stand - “they design drone technology for war criminals to pursue fleeing targets” is a factual statement.
Plus, we will almost certainly see a new version of the Geneva convention in response to drone warfare in our lifetime.
MIT is deep in bed with the MIC. Their administration is not friendly towards Arabs unless those Arabs have a line of credit with Boeing or Raytheon.
Whats the MIC?
Military industrial complex
I usually don’t see it in acronym form.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military–industrial_complex
Edit: No idea how explaining the definition of the acronym “MIC” got 3 downvotes. Real reddit-tier energy on this thread.
Lemmy usually has 1 to 5 bots randomly downvoting, its normal.
Sometime something totally apolitical like cat photos also get random 1-5 downvotes.
Weird
Presumably because you’re 10min behind the others, and you posted a raw wiki link. I assume those 3 people got a “just fucking google it” vibe from it.
Atleast what my reddit PTSD tells me it could be.
Downvoted for complaining about downvotes. The internet points do nothing. Everyone please downvote me so I can demonstrate how little it matters.
Downvoted for complaining about complaining about downvotes.
Downvoted cause why not? The points don’t matter.
Two negatives make a positive so here’s your upvote.
yeah we dont even count our totals here. I do kind of miss having a total, but I dont miss reddit. I downvoted you, feel free to downvote me back and have yourself a nice day too.
Military Industrial Complex
The Democratic Party platform is explicitly pro-genocide.
It’s not like the gop is different
The difference is that the GOP has other policies they actually try to enact. Evil policies, yes. But they actually try to implement them.
Democrats don’t implement their (stated) platform when they get into office. Except for the one policy democrats won’t abandon.
and the only one that they are 100% bipartisan, on which defense budget, and full military support for israel
No one cares what the gop platform is.
I tend not to ask unserious people (like the gop) questions or care what they think. I did have expectations of democrats though.
“We encourage students inquiry and critical thinking” “no not like that!”
Calling other people (all the more, a nation as a whole) names - is not critical thinking.
Presenting biased rhethorics (all the more, not in a neutral manner, but emotionally loaded claims) and ommitting any contradicting points - has nothing to do with critical thinking.
Opinions vs facts. One-sided accusing vs rational thinking. 💁
Yeah no. Calling Nazis Nazi is a perfectly rational take. One does not to condemn an active genocide “in a neutral manner,” neither do Nazis deserve neutrality.
They’re just here trolling. The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi. Israel’s finance minister said they intend to “entirely destroy” Gaza, and the English language has a word for “something you entirely destroy by fire”: it’s ‘holocaust’.
So, I think we should trigger this guy more by using the term in the original, objective sense:
This genocide, to which all current supporters of the Zionist state of Israel are party, is intentionally making a holocaust of Gaza.
ETA: Let the record reflect that the denial of any genocide when shown such irrefutable evidence, — whether the Holocaust against Poles, Jews and others of the 40s, or this genocide of Palestinians — makes you party to its crimes.
Kinda brilliant on the class president’s part - still give the speech and get the media coverage for it, but do it before commencement so they’re less likely to steal your diploma as a result.
