The Trump administration is preparing to cancel a large swath of federal funding for California, an effort that could begin as soon as Friday, according to multiple sources.
Agencies are being told to start identifying grants the administration can withhold from California. Sources said the administration is specifically considering a full termination of federal grant funding for the University of California and California State University systems.
Singling out one state for massive cuts would be an unusual move, but Donald Trump has long made Democratic-led California a target.
Sounds like California should cancel the taxes it would normally send to the fed.
That would break the bank. California is 4th largest economy in the world, after the U.S., China, and Germany. It would probably cause Trump to declare martial law and send troops to California.
I mean, good luck? CA is also obscenely well defended, since most of its modern wealth came from it being considered a battleground vs Japan and Russia, so there’s loads of bases.
Most likely, this will just yet again be a defeat in court. That dude is just throwing shit against the wall and hoping some of it will stick.
You’re assuming Trump wouldn’t also fuck over troops stationed here in California. Remember military personnel are reliant on local infrastructure in a lot of areas and if Trump starts fucking with it again the military may be caught in the crossfire.
I’m assuming the comment “declaring martial law” would require nat guard (natives) and stationed troops (federal) to attempt to impose order. Not sure what that has to do with local infra, but the last time they tried that (LA Riots) it didn’t go great. Doing it for a strictly political reason would likely result in some very hard decisions for a lot of nat guard and some federal career military. The Nat Guard and federales couldn’t even restore order in South Central when most of the state was in their corner, it’d be madness to think they could handle the whole state when it was over a pissing match.
California gets roughly $162.9 billion from the fed. California pays roughly $692 billion to the fed in taxes.
It’d be pretty easy to see them choosing to just withhold whatever Trump decided to deny them and say “fine, then we’ll just make up the offset, suck it”, and then things would get interesting indeed.
I thought ya meant that because of how militarized the state was it’d be hard for the state to respond. I was just stating you could cut water and electricity as a response to that.
But yeah you are right on the fact the response would at best be a mess, honestly if they were told to occupy the state they’d probably just sit around getting heat stroke and doing nothing.
(cue cut scene of Twenty-nine Palms) :D I think you’re right
Yeah but how the fuck would he pay the troops without, you know, California’s money?
I maintain the quickest way for military and LEOs to drop support for Trump is realizing they aren’t gonna get paid or that their money has become essentially worthless. Either scenario will pit them against him. If they can’t feed their families they will turn, considering it’s an all volunteer military. He would have to instate a harsh draft first to avoid that.
realizing they aren’t gonna get paid or that their money has become essentially worthless.
If California’s taxes suddenly evaporated, it would create a massive budget deficit that would have to be plugged by printing money, would debase the currency and likely cause hyperinflation.
Which would render the US dollar essentially worthless, resulting in soldiers and LEOs essentially being “unpaid” and no longer willing to support Trump.
Maybe, maybe not. What you have to consider is that when you are in the military, the federal government owns you like livestock. They feed you, house you, and can send you to your death. You don’t necessarily need money, especially in the short term. Moreover, there are rules that prevent active duty military from being ejected from housing. You might not be happy about dollar devaluation, but the blame will be focused on the “bad” people of California and you’re there to make it right. It would take a lot for the U.S. military machine to grind to a halt, and a lot of damage can be done while it is happening.
Another common idea is that the good folks in the military aren’t going to shoot civilians, and would rebel if ordered to. While there might be some isolated rebellion, most people in the military are conditioned to follow orders, and will do so, even if such orders are illegal. People will do what they have to to keep the pressure off themselves.
You don’t necessarily need money, especially in the short term.
If you have kids, you do. Plenty of people in the military with spouses and children.
the trick is to have them shoot their kids especially if they live in california with them then they wont feel bad for not getting paid to shoot their kids
Let’s get it over with.
To do what?
California can just stop aiding the IRS in collecting tax.
How could California do that when taxes are paid directly by the taxee to the IRS?
ban local/state agencies from assisting the IRS with tax enforcement
Start cutting power, water, and gas to federal offices and facilities, let’s see if they can do jack shit when it’s 90 degrees outside and 110 inside. Mind you that is just me thinking reconciliation is stupid and shouldn’t be considered as a possibility.
Change your withholding, then only pay state tax.
That’s the problem California doesn’t send taxes to the Federal government. People and businesses pay directly to the government. There’s no mechanism to even stop it on a state level if a governor wanted to.
ban local/state agencies from assisting the IRS with tax enforcement
No taxation without representation.
I was wondering about this. The new BBB or whatever increases SALT to 40k. I live in Jersey. I would have no problem with NJ just taxing me 40k outright. You just pay 40k to live in NJ. And then I just deduct that 40k from my federal tax burden, bringing it down below 0. What’s stopping states from doing this?
The irs wouldn’t recognize the deduction and you would still owe the entire amount to the federal government.
I’m curious why you say this, and I’m not trying to be argumentative. I pay 11k for property taxes, and so with this I get to deduct that 11k from my federal taxes. And if you mean to say that the IRS and the Feds would be like hey, you can’t do that, yeah, you’re probably right, and I agree. I’m just curious if you had some other rationale for the suggestion. I am no tax expert.
Remember, the state doesn’t pay taxes, individual citizens do by filling out their annual federal income taxes.
So, if “California” were to stop giving money to the federal government, the governor would basically need to convince individual citizens not to file their 1040.
And all of those people would have to clinch their assholes and hope Trump didn’t sick the IRS on them.
Presumably California would declare that they wouldn’t comply with IRS investigations but those people would be vulnerable if they travel or have assets outside California
If Californians (Or everyone) just filed for extensions en masse, that alone would fuck shit up and would be totally legal.
That is exactly what should happen.
I don’t know all the ins and outs of this, but somehow I doubt that Trump has as much financial leverage against the fourth largest economy in the world as he apparently thinks he does.
Add NY, MA, AND NJ and you have a block that is on quite solid ground.
So Americans need to switch it off and on again. Gather up new founding fathers and mothers, write up a new constitution and declaration of independence - write up documents for a new federation between states…
Create a back up United States. Declare the old one null and void. Stop interacting with the old one. Start interacting with the new one.
Call all this something benign sounding. Try not to go to war about it. But yeah, you all need to switch this shit off and on again.
I agree. Time for a good old constitutional convention.
I can’t wait to be the United Coca-Cola States of Unilever America.
Yup, by excluding the south east (Texas to Florida) they could easily reboot it in a much more progressive manner.
Texas and Florida? You mean North Mexico and Cuba Libre?
Is California secession still a thing?
Sounds like is sure could be. Also sounds like the basis for a court case.
I’m pretty sure Texas is the only “legal” state allowed to secede, but I’m not a lawyer and my info may be woefully out of date
No state is allowed to. Read the 14th amendment.
And there is an emoluments clause. And dozens of others already violated.
That’s irrelevant to whether or not a state has an established legal right to do a thing.
The colonies weren’t “allowed” to leave England either, yet here we are.
Would it cause a civil war? Yea. Would California win? Of course not.
No, Texas (nor any other state) can not secede from the Union.
https://www.sll.texas.gov/faqs/can-texas-secede
Can Texas secede? I heard it is one of the only states that can secede from the United States.
It is a common misunderstanding that Texas has the right to leave the United States. The Texas State Library and Archives Commission (TSLAC) addresses this on their page about Texas’s annexation:
It is said of Texas (and, occasionally, Vermont) that it received a letter or document of permission to withdraw from the Federal Union if it so chose. […] In fact, Texas received no special terms in its admission to the Union. Once Texas had agreed to join the Union, she never had the legal option of leaving, either before or after the Civil War.
Texas can split itself up into 5 states, but not secede.
Looks like a class action lawsuit involving the people of California and the Feds.
He’s still mad that Schwarzenegger took over The Celebrity Apprentice
California should confiscate Trump National golf course.
I’m so glad I paid my Federal taxes this year. /s
And just like they did in Maine, California will sue him and win.
Wow, so I thought I was fucked when I had “California secedes” on my bingo card
You still are, just in a different way.
Viva Cascadia.
The University of California is the largest employer in the state.
In most other states, Walmart is the biggest employer.
Talk about giving higher education the middle finger!
Aren’t there a fuckload of Republicans in wine country?
I doubt they’ll be happy about that
They’ll like whatever they’re told to like.
There’s repugnigans everywhere in California. There’s just more Democrats.
I wouldn’t say there are more Republicans in wine country than any other agricultural region in the state. Probably slightly fewer.
these stupid fucks love pissing in the wind for all of us to see
go on then ya citrus scrotum, show us once more how brilliant and clever you are
California should defederate
