Yeah, Bazzite had dedicated installers for NVdia GPUs. Considering that Neon is being left to die by KDE, it’s sensible to switch distributions anyway.

SteamOS doesn’t support NVidia

Maybe these help but they are just ideas and not tested:

Switch to Wayland and check performance there. If that doesn’t work, look up how to do nested compositors. You can run one Wayland compositor inside another. Maybe launching the game within KWin or GameScope leads to better results.

Linux has proton, Mac OS doesn’t.

macOS has Apple Game Porting Toolkit which is just another Wine distribution for which developers made easy installers for. GPT + Windows version of Steam is how I played Counter Strike 2 against a Mac user just recently.

https://developer.apple.com/games/game-porting-toolkit/

That said, I didn’t really expect someone with that Lemmy handle to know such things.

But they’re making it look like it’s a hassle to release for Linux when in reality you can foresee and plan for this from the start, without much overhead down the line.

They have the overhead to support macOS, though:

Do you remember the days before proton?

The days before Proton are the days before Steam Linux Runtime because Proton runs on top of Steam Linux Runtime. It doesn’t run on top of the host Linux libraries.

The problem with Linux ports isn’t Linux, it’s sloppy ports. The 1.0 Scout runtime wasn’t properly containerized back in the day, so games could call host libraries. That changed with 2.0 Soldier (using Bubblewrap, the same tech used by Flatpak) but Valve made it hard to target 2.0 because game developers had to request its use from Valve. That changed with 3.0 Sniper last year.

Only the Escape Simulator developers know why they didn’t switch over from “maintaining many distributions” to requesting SteamRT 2.0 Soldier years ago.

A proton update? Just use the last version.

I meant mostly game updates because developers get lulled into the belief that “Proton just works, don’t need to test anything”. Wine and Proton developers are not a huge team either. There is no guarantee that Proton will always work. That’s even spelled out in the license. There were rare occurrences of a Proton update breaking a game. Granted, they are very rare but I had to switch to an older Proton release for a game once.

As in their “linux support” will take the form of making sure they don’t break anything on their end.

Their previous Linux support consisted of “maintaining the native build across many distros” instead of targeting only Steam Linux Runtime. Of course targeting a big number of Linux distributions is more work. Valve didn’t release SLR for the lulz. It’s a stable environment, based on Debian Stable.

Your dogwater arguments boil down to “it should support this specific configuration and fuck everyone else”.

No, because Steam ships Steam Linux Runtime in all configurations. Everybody with some insight in that topic knows that.

How is that different from a game being restricted to Windows?

Windows is an entirely different operating system, duh. Game updates break Proton all the time, take longer to load, on installation they execute super slow installation scripts, etc. If your so knowledgeable as you claim with your condescending tone, you’d know that.

And how exactly does that solve the issue of still dedicating significant effort to support an even smaller set of devices?

Steam Deck is the market leader in PC handhelds and 3rd parties like Lenovo adopt SteamOS.

Actually, don’t answer that.

I opt to ignore that order you’re in no position to give.

Your comment is proof of your remarkable ignorance on the topic

You confirm that you have absolutely no clue about Steam Linux Runtime and how that is a more stable than an ever changing cat and mouse game of Windows updates, Proton updates, and game updates.

and anything else you have to say is a waste of everyone’s time.

Nobody forced you to reply to me. Next time, I suggest you read up on Steam Linux Runtime and Windows games braking Proton with updates.

You have no idea how much extra work it is to maintain a Linux-native version that works predictably across the entire range of Linux machine configurations.

Because in this day and age targeting a billion different configurations is stupid. Steam Linux Runtime exists to remedy exactly that.

Proton is already known to be perfectly capable of running most games as good as or even better than Windows.

And then an update comes along and breaks compatibility. News stories about this are frequent.

instead of having to implement client-side decorations for GNOME users.

• Games usually run full screen.

• SteamOS doesn’t use Gnome.

• Native Linux games targeting only Steam Deck’s setup are still a better experience than Windows games under Proton aren’t integrated with Gnome either because Valve doesn’t care about Gnome.

But it requires getting more of the team on Linux :)

Get them a Steam Deck and target only Steam Linux Runtime 3.

Who needs a video tutorial for “hit the play button in Steam”?

You are not forgiven, your behavior was disgusting beyond all measure.

Oh, what a wonderful person that is:

• A bit of genocide here https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=778871

• A bit of ban evasion there https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=311298

• And more unhinged comments https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=14114719

It still doesn’t do anything to steer me toward a Switch 2 over a Steam Deck

Who’s claiming that giving away your Deck is a necessity?

Sure, but the original context was a new user wanting to try Linux on their gaming laptop.

And I was giving a heads up regarding Nvidia graphics and only Nvidia graphics. I know what I wrote.

If you’re assuming the user will have trouble with SteamOS’ write protection, which I totally agree with, Bazzite is also surely going to cause headaches.

For the specific context I was replying to – Nvidia drivers – Bazzite’s write protection is completely irrelevant because there are editions with Nvidia drivers preinstalled.

The idea of a locked down system that gets most apps as Flatpaks sounds appealing, until the cracks start to show up.

Depends on the use case. SteamOS comes with Distrobox. All non-Flatpak needs of mine can be achieved through this.

Is Bazzite an OS that I would use, or is it a set of drivers that lets SteamOS play nice with Nvidia?

You cannot install Nvidia drivers on SteamOS without jumping through more hoops than it’s worth because the system partition is write protected. You can unprotect it but the next SteamOS update everything will be reset.

All improvements from SteamOS eventually trickle down to all mainstream desktop Linux distributions anyway, just as all Red Hat improvements trickle down to SteamOS.

Bazzite happens to be a gaming-focused distribution but you can also just get Fedora KDE and have a good time as well. I happen to like the download assistant at https://bazzite.gg/#image-picker which more distribution should adopt.

Be mindful of Nvidia drivers, should that notebook come with a GeForce GPU. SteamOS does not support Nvidia. Use Bazzite in such a case.