And their 1st stage is designed to be reusable, so we might have another reusable provide in the near future.

It might take a handful of launches to get there, but they are on that path.

Up and down isn’t a hard problem in the grand scheme of things. It’s expensive and doesn’t offer much benefit which is why people generally haven’t bothered.

Going up and over at orbital velocities and coming back is the hard part, and none of these new spaces companies have done that successfully yet, and SpaceX has now done it with 2 vehicles and reused them both.

New Glenn from Blue Orgin might be the first after SpaceX but it blew up coming back on their first attempt, but it’s been designed to be orbital and reusable

I had one of theirs like that. You could disable it instead of uninstall, and this wouldn’t happen, but you couldn’t uninstall it.

The answer might be no today, but always seems like a stretch.

I’m annoyed the pieces are bottom adjusted…

Okay, but could ChatGPT be used to vibe code a chess program that beats the Atari 2600?

The FCC revoked that award before the money was handed over because starlink wasn’t meeting the speeds they needed to meet for the deadline 3 years in the future and they didn’t think they would make it. The speeds that money was supposed to help them achieve launching the satellites required to meet it.

No one else had that made up requirement put on them in advance.

The goal that was 3 years in the future, which would have been around now or early 2026, required them to meet their speed (100d + 20u) and latency (<100ms) goals for 40% of the 650k rural users.

They had 1.5 million US customers at the start of 2025, not sure how many are part of this rural 650k but id imagine the majority are, and only 260k of the rural ones have to meet the requirements.

Ookla did a post about starlink in Maine where it shows many of the users are meeting those requirements

https://www.ookla.com/articles/above-maine-starlink-twinkles

Median DL: 116.77 (over the required 100)

Media UL: 18.17 (just shy of the required 20)

90th Percentile DL: 250.96

90th Percentile UL 27.17

If Maine is a representative example, then they are probably meeting their 40% target of 260k rural users despite not getting the money which would have accelerated things and made launches more focused on meeting the goals.

Edit: extra details.

Edit: I was just looking up more info on the program, and the deadline to report would have been in January 2025, so it would have been with the 1.5 million users they had at the start of the year, not around now, or 2026 as I’d said. That Ookla report was December 2024. We should get a report from the FCC (this summer?) that outlines how many others met their respective 40% target.

military targets that likely didn’t resolve in any, or very few deaths at that.

Maybe someone was working on a plane randomly, but the runways seemed pretty empty.

But… he never did that other route!

You don’t believe the MSM stretches or bends the truth? I got a bridge to sell ya!

Reuters story for example

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-musk-steering-suspension/

Tesla’s response

https://www.tesla.com/en_ca/blog/addressing-misleading-claims

Is there some truth to what Reuters says? No doubt.

Is there some truth to what Tesla responded with? Very likely.

Stories get twisted to have just enough truth to get whatever their agenda is across.

Why doesn’t Musk sue them if they are lying?

Under the assumption that it’s not a lie, there’s probably sensitive information that would come out in discovery that they’d rather not reveal, and there’s enough truth to it that they might not win, such as with my example in the previous reply.

why bring up the cybercab or whatever

I bring it up because it’s the same new manufacturing process as the 25k car. It’s a wholly new way to manufacture cars. All future cars from Tesla are going to use this new process if it works and its intention is to dramatically reduce the cost of the vehicle. If this process does not work, there is no 25k car. It’s legitimately dead. If the process works, any future car from Tesla is going to use it, and the 25k car they had planned would quite possibly be the next vehicle produced with it. Ironing out the hiccups in the robotaxi, will impact what happens with the 25k car if it is truly not cancelled, (edit: and thus if it’s not cancelled, they will be keeping it in mind while working on the cybercab)

Did Musk not lie about “deal accomplished”.

Factually speaking, it was considered not true, but he also didn’t fight it as they were threatening the existence of the company at a very difficult time so he settled with the SEC.

This story happened a few days ago

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdxvr3n7wlxo

To which Elon responded “No deal has been signed” - https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1927839555828220165

Is the CEO of telegram going to somehow get in trouble now? Obviously neither xAi or Telegram are public companies, but this is pretty much what happened with Elon’s tweet, if there’s any shred of truth to what Elon has said.

Edit: And I’m not excusing that Elon tweeted funding secured, it was inappropriate, but he just claims to have done what the Telegram CEO did but under more serious circumstances.

Edit: Later edit in case you see this later… but here’s a video where Franz the lead designer responds to the claims https://x.com/BLKMDL3/status/1777029442935964066. “stay tuned, don’t always believe in what you read”

You can think all you want, and you might be right, but to prove a fraud case, you’re going to need proof.

Not my gut tells me, not anonymous sources say, or billionaires suck so it must be true. Proof. Proof is hard.

For all we know what Reuters saw was an email saying we’re canceling the 2026 launch of the 25k model to focus on the shared line models, we’ll come back to it in a few years after we learn more from the robotaxi development process.

We’ll never know because they are withholding the email they saw.

Reuters wanting clicks writes a headline truthful enough to not get them in legal trouble or have to write a retraction. This kind of stuff in the MSM is par for the course. They aren’t super trustworthy either.

Edit: also if Reuters is confident in their report and has the proof, why not sue Musk for Libel? Maybe it’s not as definitive as they wrote?

The roadster was announced in 2017, it’s been roughly 8 years since it was announced. They are still working on it, Lars has even said he has something like a weekly meeting about it.

Is that cancelled? No. Is it acceptable for the people who made deposits? Not really.

The 25k model is using their new “unboxed” method, which the Cybercab is also using. They clearly decided to go with the Cybercab first and that’s not up for debate, but they are still designing how the unboxed method even works. As they work on the Cybercab and hone the design of unboxed, if they are continually considering how that may impact the 25k vehicle they had originally planned to make in 2026, is that cancelled?

It’s not as black and white as you want it to be.

Edit:

What Reuters said was very definitive.

April 5 (Reuters) - Tesla has canceled the long-promised inexpensive car that investors have been counting on to drive its growth into a mass-market automaker, according to three sources familiar with the matter and company messages seen by Reuters.

If they still plan to build a cheaper consumer vehicle using the newer unboxed method and they simply back burnered it a few years in favor of the shared line models then it’s not canceled. Canceled (edit or killed) is very specific. There will be no 25k vehicle using the new method they had planned.

Edit: you would need to prove it’s actually canceled and that would be difficult. There’s a lot of other less definitive language Reuters could have used that would have made what Elon responded with definitely a lie.

Edit: just an example, the 2026 launch of the 25k vehicle was canceled/ killed. That is true. Refuting that is a lie. The 25k vehicle was canceled, is unclear, although this report further substantites it.

If it’s true, it’s not.

But you’d have to prove it.

Also lots of wiggle room on canceled vs delayed a long time.

Do that a couple times to the point the Russians don’t believe it, and then use the correct targets expecting the Russians to protect the other nearby targets like last times instead.

I think if it was really late stage capitalism they wouldn’t have fixed it nearly as good as they did and just called it a day.

I wouldn’t really called it a solved problem when waymo with lidar is crashing into physical objects

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/waymo-recalls-1200-robotaxis-after-cars-crash-into-chains-gates-and-utility-poles/ar-AA1EMVTF

NHTSA stated that the crashes “involved collisions with clearly visible objects that a competent driver would be expected to avoid.” The agency is continuing its investigation.

It’d probably be better to say that Lidar is the path to solving these problems, or a tool that can help solve it. But not solved.

Just because you see a car working perfectly, doesn’t mean it always is working perfectly.