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Before I started reading the meme I actually thought “just use Notepad++”.
I just code in Notepad++. I make an error, I fix it. It doesn’t work, I just dump variables to see what I did wrong and where.
Also using 10GB memory …
This is why everyone should go back to ed
I use Jetbrains IDEs now for 5 years, I’ve used VSCode, Sublime, Atom, Vim, Neovim but I feel like Jetbrains IDEs are just better if you have the RAM to run it.
- It’s a setting.
- Doesn’t happen
- Doesn’t happen
- Searchable actions, just search for “encoding” in this case.
- That’s an LSP/project mismatch usually just a setting. Most things are supported but worst case you can remove the error.
- Happens if you run out of RAM or open a very large file.
So it’s not all bad, but comes with a lot of good such as “invert if statement”, “use template strings” and “extract method” thingies along with a load of plugins.
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Yeah, IntelliJ has become worse over time. Or atleast Android Studio has. IntelliJ used to be amazing.
IntelliJ now requires like 8GiB of RAM to even open.
Isn’t the JVM limited to 2 GB or something like that?
I just use Kate
Kate is great for being a compiled C++ program, making it nice and lightweight. Plus lots of syntax highlighting. Not quite the same as IDEs with auto completion, but pretty good for plain text editing.
Too many features but also autocomplete isn’t working? So I guess you do want many features?
Meanwhile: vim and Emacs users, constantly installing and configuring plugins to emulate a fraction of the power of IDEs, go “just use vim/Emacs”.
So, you’ve never actually used Emacs?
And possibly also never used vi either?
LOL. Let me guess “just use Emacs/vim”?
No thank you bruv. Been there, done that. Terrible experience.
https://github.com/emacs-tw/awesome-emacs
https://github.com/lunarvim/lunarvim
All of these emulated only a fraction of the power of IDEs, even after weeks of trying to get them configured properly.
Inb4 “you’re doing it wrong”. Nah mate, IDEs work out of the box and don’t require opening a text file to change settings while going through reams of documentation.
I right click in a file and it shows me the most important contextual commands. No need to find the " leader key", scroll through all the 1 billion commands, I don’t have to “download a LSP and DAP” then “configure treesitter” or whatever the fuck kind of apes are in the editor.
Those editors have steep learning curves and get you productive eventually. IDEs get you there much more quickly. Yeah yeah, they hide complexity and “people don’t know what’s actually going on anymore” but sometimes I just want to get going instead of fighting my editor first. Feel me?
All those wondrous IDEs were nowhere to be found 20 years ago, especially if you didn’t run windows. While Emacs did it all and more.
So yes, you had to read the documentation. That’s what we did back then. We still do it when someone can be arsed to write one.
We’re not 20 years in the past, old man.
I know, back then people knew what files and directories were. Good times.
That knowledge is gone. Everything is a web app running JavaScript in a browser. We don’t need to be encumbered by pesky things like pages and folders. 😋
VSCode is the first development environment I’ve used that doesn’t make me feel like this. It’s not perfect but the base application is rock solid and the full DE experience is the more reliable than any other DE I’ve used.
P.S. I specifically said DE for those people who say VSCode isn’t an IDE. Personally I don’t see the point in differentiating.
P.P.S. Sublime is not a DE in my opinion. It’s an excellent text editor with syntax highlighting. The plugins were an afterthought and it was never intended to provide the full experience. Granted I haven’t used it in years.
VSCode is by far and away the best thing Microsoft has ever done. (I’m sure therefore they will ruin it eventually, but that’s a separate issue)
Its good for two main reasons IMO:
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It is plugin-based
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It is (therefore) language-agnostic
Plugins mean the DE starts as a very lightweight thing that is basically nothing more than a text editor. You can then add as much or as little as you want to get the level of features you are comfortable with but without being too bloated.
And then, because it’s all plugins, you can work with any language and still stay within the same editor. Divine.
I personally love how lightweight it is compared to a full IDE because I don’t like it when IDEs hide the magic behind UI. Press the button and it compiles huh? But how? What’s going on there? What toolchain and commands are being executed?
I much prefer a good MAKEFILE where you know what your entry points are and what is going on, because it makes everything so much more portable and also improves your own knowledge and understanding.
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The IDE is the worst part of being an iOS developer.
I legit swore off the entire OS when one of my teachers forced us to use macOS + X code to write Objective C code
Yes, and the worst part is that XCode is only available on OSX.
I once had to make an iOS app once and didn’t have a Mac so I developed the entire thing in a VM. There was no video encoding, the FPS was in the low single digits, which made it very difficult to even type. So I ended up writing the code using VSCode through SSH through Wireguard connected to the VM on the host machine, which actually worked surprisingly well. But hey, the app did work in the end.
